Are you curious about becoming a podcast host and utilizing the power in podcasting for your business? In today’s episode, Haylee Gaffin of Gaffin Creative joins us to share about starting a podcast, using it for your business, and creating a resource hub for your brand. Listen in as we talk about the behind the scenes of a podcast and I even share what I’ve learned over the last 19 episodes in podcasting!

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Catch the Show Notes:

Get to Know Haylee (1:43)

Growing in Podcasting (6:43)

How Podcasting Can Serve You (9:14)

Monetizing Your Podcast (12:03)

Brand Awareness with Your Podcast (17:02)

Creating a Content Resource Bank for Potential Clients (17:58)

Finding a Way for Podcasts to Work for You (20:46)

Pitching Yourself as a Guest on Podcasts (22:48)

Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Gaffincreative.com

Haylee’s Podcast

Haylee’s Blog

Podcast Budget Worksheet

Honeybook

LaShonda’s Episode

Committed 

Dolly Parton’s America

Jayd of Studio Conceal

Review the Transcript:

Quianna Marie
Welcome to Quianna Marie weekly a podcast for creatives who love to celebrate wins, big or small, by dancing in the kitchen photographers who are excited to serve their clients and friends who are ready to chase really, really big dreams. You can find all the resources mentioned in this episode at quiannamarie.com/podcast. Join me as I share weekly motivation, and chat about growing themes, finding genuine connection, and celebrating your wins through the lens of a photographer at heart. Come join me for a dance party. Ready? Let’s go.

Quianna Marie
Hey, Haylee, I’m so so thankful you are here. And I cannot wait to just start honestly dancing with you through this whole journey of business and life and pivots.

Haylee Gaffin
Me too. I’m so excited to be here. And on your podcasts. I obviously am a listener because I edit. But I do love this podcast.

Quianna Marie
Thank you. Thank you. And I know that a lot of us are experiencing these shifts, I feel it’s an entire industry change, where we are trying new things, we are stepping into our purpose. And we are just honestly challenging and pushing the envelope to try new things. And so I’d love to just dive in and just go headfirst with our conversation. And I’d love to hear from you a little bit more about your journey and how you started from photography. And now you rolled right into very seamlessly, it seems like into being a Podcast Producer and educator.

Haylee Gaffin
Absolutely. So I would call myself a photographer. It took a long time for me to actually title myself as a photographer, but I’ve been shooting since 2010. I was in college, you know, did a little side hustle. And eventually that just stayed as a side hustle. I never really imagined entrepreneurship as like, a quote unquote, real job. I didn’t see, maybe it was that timeframe, too, because I do feel like in the, you know, 2014 1516 timeframe was when I saw photographers actually being full time for the first time in my life. And it to me, it just always seemed like, this is something you do on the side, it is not a career, I went into advertising did that still cut my side hustle, sometimes working 3040 hours a week in the side hustle. And I just eventually, I mean, I still never went full time in photography. But what I did do was I realized that entrepreneurship was real, you could do it. And I found a contract role where I could do marketing for a company. But kind of on my own hours, I didn’t go into an office nine to five, it was remote work. And that’s when I decided like, I’m going to kind of play around with the idea of owning my own business. And that’s when I opened the studio. During this time, I was still doing photography as a side hustle. But I was not focused on it as a business. And then when so that happened in 2019 When I opened the studio, and six months later, the world shut down. So that was an eye opener to me. Because the reason my entire life, I had never considered doing photography full time, or owning a business or being an entrepreneur was because of the security that came with that corporate nine to five job. And when I say nine to five, it’s an eight to five job. I don’t know why we all call it a nine to five. Yes, yes. But I saw this security in that. And when the pandemic hit, that security wasn’t there. I know so many people that lost their jobs, I was fortunate enough to keep my hours for the beginning of the pandemic. And then around July of 2020. My hours got cut in half. And I was like, Oh, I have to make up the money from the full time job I was doing. So that’s when I reached out to the few podcast clients I had kind of picked up and it was friends that had started podcasts. And I just said I need money and I can’t shoot right now. We’re still not allowed to. I have to pay rent for my studio. I need something. And so in 20 I think between July and December, I launched seven or eight podcasts for different people. And I was like, Okay, I could do this. I could this could be a job and it takes the location like the fact that I have to be in one place out of this scenario. I can take this work with me if I want to travel, which I don’t always recommend doing. But if I needed to I could and it just One day kind of clicked of. This is the business I think I was meant to build. I’ve never seen myself as a full time photographer, I’ve never been a good enough photographer to be like, Oh, I can shoot your wedding. I mean, I did it. But was I the best? No. But when it comes to podcasting, it just fit everything in my life, it fit the life I wanted to live, I enjoy it, I learned something from every single episode I edit. So to me, that was where the shift happened of, while COVID, you know, rocked our worlds, it opened my eyes to the possibility of what I could do with my life, and that I could choose it and not rely on someone else for the security of an income or the security of a career.

Quianna Marie
That’s incredibly inspiring, especially when you’re forced to do things, right. I feel like you have the perfect combination of feeling like you are stuck in that, that that comfort of that paycheck, right is just not coming in. And so you have to act fast to make up that money. But I also feel that you were pulled very gracefully into this role. Like, I just feel like Haylee, you are just such an incredible podcast, producer, and educator. And you know, it’s funny, even when I talk to my mom about you, and upcoming episodes, I love our brainstorming sessions, because you’re not just a Podcast Producer that I just send over my files, and then you edit and you add a little transcript like we are strategizing together. And we are making a game plan. And I feel like you are just made for this role. Like it’s just, it’s just so awesome to see you bloom and to see you grow, grow so quickly.

Haylee Gaffin
I appreciate that so much. I definitely I feel like I’ve grown a lot in the podcasting space. Because if I look back to, like, I started in 2017, working on podcasts. And at that time, I would have only considered myself an editor, the only thing I really knew to do was edit and produce show notes. But never really any strategy. And as I grew with learning more about how to use your podcast for search engines, how to use your podcast for growing your business and your email list. It was almost like there’s this whole world out there where a podcast strategy can help your business just like an Instagram strategy, or just like a Pinterest strategy. It is another avenue to educate people, to get them to know you, and to really connect with them on a level that invites them into your business. And it’s not just oh, let me sell to you all the time. Because well, obviously I’m we’ll get into this. I’m a big proponent of selling on your podcast, you’re educating in every single episode, even if it’s not like, take this advice and go do it right now. There’s inspiration that comes out of podcasting, there’s entertainment, there are so many avenues you can take with podcasting, that even as a non business owner, you can approach it with some kind of strategy in mind that I think is really unique to the podcasting world.

Quianna Marie
I love that well. And it’s funny because as I started getting into podcast and listening to more, I kind of went down this road of inspiration podcast, right? Like I was like, oh, what can I learn more about business tips and right, I mean, it was Jenna Kutcher, really, that got me started being obsessed with podcasts. And then we got Gary Vee, and we have all these incredible business podcasters. And then my future my I call her my sister, my future sister in law, Lauren, she’s obsessed, like she’s a crime junkie. Like she loves listening to podcasts for that. And I’ve never really listened to those right, like I, I have enough stuff going on. In my mind. I don’t want to be scared. But I just think it’s interesting that there really is a podcast for everyone. So what advice would you share with someone who is maybe thinking about doing a podcast? Like who are podcasts for? And if someone isn’t sure, like maybe they’re interested, like, how do we give them that nudge? They need to say you should start when?

Haylee Gaffin
Absolutely. So it’s so funny to me, because I feel like so many people there excuse for not starting a podcast if they want to start a podcast and I say this because not everyone wants to start a podcast and that’s totally fine. But for the people that do most of the time, they’re excuses. Well, there’s already this other podcasts out there that does what I want to do, or there’s too many podcasts in the space. And the one question I want to ask is, do you say the same thing about Instagram? Do you say the same thing about Pinterest because No, I can have a Pinterest account. I can have an Instagram account that has less than 500 followers and still find success in it. My Instagram account has doubled in the last three years. yours. But does that mean my business is more successful? No, I still see myself as a small Instagram account, like I don’t have the 2000 5000 10,000 followers. But I’m okay with that, because I don’t need that many to have a successful business. And the same thing goes for a podcast of you don’t have to have a huge listenership to have a successful podcast, based on whatever your goal is. And I think that is the biggest piece of advice I can give is, understand what your goal is, and how can you meet that goal with a podcast? If that’s just a passion project, know what you’re getting into? Because yes, it is time consuming. I mean, having an Instagram account is time consuming if you’re creating content, but podcasts production, recording, editing, setting up systems, all of that does take time, or it takes money. And knowing what your goal is, will help you understand every other aspect of it. And what you want to do with your podcasts as far as outsourcing or hiring help what guests you want. So knowing your goal, that is that is a big piece of advice.

Quianna Marie
Oh, yes, it’s a lot of work. In fact, it’s, it’s very expensive to get started and to invest in the right equipment and to have a game plan. So how exactly because I just kind of think of podcasting as a new, very specific radio, right? Like this is just I mean, there’s sound waves, but for someone who’s interested in thinking, Okay, I think I want to get started, I think I want to do this for my business. How do you get paid because Spotify is not paying you Apple is not paying you these listenership are not paying. I mean, I’ve seen different ways that you can do, what does that called when you have like patrons that will chip in bucks a month or something like you can get memberships? Yes, like, hopefully, a strong following will support you and maybe share some, you know, some help. But like, how do you make money with this? Like, how do you direct this back to your business, this is what I want to chat about.

Haylee Gaffin
Yeah, so there are a number of ways. And there are tons of ways that I’m probably not even going to mention today, just because you can approach it in any way you want. There is no standard for it as far as like how to monetize. But there are a few ways that I work with my clients on it. And with my clients, they are mostly business owners. So the number one way we are monetizing their podcast is by marketing their business on the podcast, because they can sell products, they can sell their courses, sell their services, they can grow their email list, they are creating brand awareness with every single episode, it’s very similar to if you and I’m going to keep going back to this idea of comparing a podcast to Instagram, if you are putting hours and hours of work into your Instagram account, you may not be seeing direct dollars from Instagram, but you’re driving people from one platform to your business. And that’s the biggest way that most of my clients will monetize. But you have to have that strategy in there of like, I’m not just creating content to create content, I’m creating it with a goal in mind of this episode’s going to talk about this downloadable, which is going to drive people to go download, get on my newsletter list. And in five weeks, they’re going to get on my newsletter blast that goes out when I launched this new service. So that is the biggest way my clients monetize. But a lot of podcasters really want the direct sales in the direct dollars from monetizing. So that could mean putting ads on their show, creating those memberships, like you mentioned the Patreon and the buy me a coffee and there’s a few others out there. But then also, like Apple has a subscription based program, I don’t necessarily recommend it only because they do take a huge cut of your money. And I believe Spotify rolled one out or is rolling one out. But if I were to approach that, I would probably approach it with the Patreon idea of like having a membership you create bonus content that only members get that type of thing. And then the other way is affiliate links. We all in this industry use them. I know that there are tons of programs that we all love, that offer really great affiliate programs. And if you’re sharing about that type of content, you can test it out. One way that I really kind of encourage my clients to do is if they want to test out affiliate programs is to or even when they go to monetize like if they want to pitch an ad to someone. What I say is have you done any work on your podcast to see what type of affiliate income you can get. Because when you use so I’m going to use honey book, for example, because it’s been on this podcast we’ve talked about it but with Honey book, if I’m sharing a whole episode on honey book and how well it’s working for my business, and then I turn around, put my affiliate link in there, tell everyone that they’re gonna get a discount. If I had five listeners go and purchase honey book through my affiliate link, and there were 100 listeners on the podcast episode. That’s a 5% conversion rate, which in reality is pretty good for any conversion rate usually agree, you know, 2%, less than 2%, really. But if you can take those numbers, and then take that to an advertiser and say, I can get you a 5% conversion, if their product costs them cost someone $500, then 500 times five is 2500. Yeah, that’s a lot. So if you put it into that perspective, and you’re only charging them $200 for that ad, or 250, for that ad, that’s an approach. But the only issue with advertising and sponsorships is that a lot of well, there’s an industry standard out there that says the cost of an ad on a podcast should be $25 per 1000. listens. Which Wow, for a lot of us smaller podcasts is not realistic. It’s almost a joke to even consider that number. Because if I look at like a month of downloads, I don’t mind I’ll be completely transparent. I do not get 1000 downloads in one month. I don’t my audience is not that big. It’s very very niched podcasts about podcasting. So that is why I believe that monetizing based on your own goals is more important than, Oh, my podcast has sponsors. Because any podcast can have sponsors, it doesn’t mean you make money.

Quianna Marie
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, and I feel like that’s part of figuring out these long term goals, right, like we talked about before. And I think this is awesome, kind of going back to your story in your journey of getting here is utilizing all those experiences, where you’re kind of taking people on a journey, right? So they like the podcast can introduce you share your personality. And the best thing that I’ve learned from podcasting, in just in the short amount of time with my own is the amount of brand awareness that we can we can connect with. Right? I feel like that is just the coolest thing where you’re right, like you’re not seeing that initial bank account increase, or you’re not getting catching, catching, catching, like the money is not flowing in. But you are creating that legitness and that just like planting seeds, right, like, right, with the affiliate marketing with future guests. It’s just, I mean, it’s the opportunities have been, I don’t even have words to share how much this like my business has grown and how much clarity I found in my business.

Haylee Gaffin
Yeah, absolutely. And if you are using your podcasts for your business, one of the biggest benefits I found outside of marketing my own services and products is I have this huge content bank that serves my ideal client. So when I have a client that comes to me or a potential client and says, Hey, I don’t really understand how podcasts get on players, I have an episode I send to them. I don’t have to sit there and tell them. I don’t have to jump on a call. I can just say go listen to this 10 minute episode, super quick teaches you how I have instructions in the show notes. And I can do that for nearly any topic and any question that someone comes to me about. If I don’t have a podcast episode, I probably have a blog post on it. And I think that’s a really big piece of the content marketing strategy, as well as you can kind of commingle your podcasts and your blog posts, because I reference blog posts all the time and say, head to the shownotes. And I’ll link you to this blog post about X, Y and Z. Yeah. And then you’re just driving them all through your website and the bottom of that blog post. It’s giving them a CTA to go and book me or to book podcast Launch Kit, or whatever it is, there are so many different things that you can do to make your podcast work for you and work for your brand.

Quianna Marie
Yes. Oh, I love and I love that vision of just a content bake. Right? I feel like a lot of times when we are on Instagram, and you know, we’re creating these tic TOCs. And I feel like kind of moving with this future of social media and communication. At the end of the day. Businesses business and we’re the only thing that’s changing are the tools that we use to communicate. So having this huge bank, I just think it’s the coolest thing when as small business owners or creatives when we are interested in learning something new, as in following you with podcast education or we Want to learn about I’m looking at your plants right now in your background? Like, you know, we want to learn more about planting and killing our plants. Any topic, once you find that one person, and then you could just like Netflix and chill all of their content? Yeah, just like Shonda, in another recent episode, oh my gosh, if you’re not following genre, like you have to get on it. She’s just the queen of Canva templates and YouTube videos and tutorials. And that’s the beauty of creating a podcast is I feel like you get to find your tribe, like find your people, and then they become a magnet to you. And then that’s where you, that’s where you just pour them with your content and your education and products. And, and just be there. There’s shining light to say, Hey, let me help you.

Haylee Gaffin
Exactly. And I think too, like, there’s so much opportunity for any topic. Like, the other night, I was trying to fall asleep, and I couldn’t fall asleep. And I was like, Well, I’m gonna see if there’s like a bedtime story for, you know, not a children’s podcast, but a bedtime story podcast. And so I am looking and the whole time I’m thinking of like, wow, what if I got a client that wasn’t business focused? Which I have a couple, but like, what could I do? What types of topics could they talk about? And it got me thinking about, like this idea of a History podcast, because I never enjoyed like sitting and reading a textbook about history, because I found it boring. But if someone were to tell me a story about history, I love it like the show. Drunk History. Yes, we love that. It’s such a good show. And if there was a podcast that could tell me that stuff, like, how cool would that be? And then they could monetize through sponsorships, or monetize through tourist bureaus, where people go, and there’s so many opportunities out there, that you just have to kind of think through what would work best for you and your audience. And whatever it is, even if it’s a passion project, even if it’s not a business podcast, like what can you do? What brands can you pitch? There are so many different things.

Quianna Marie
Oh, my goodness, yeah, you got you know, how I am with my ideas, and I just start generating all this stuff that could be this. And there could be that and oh, my gosh, my mom needs to start a podcast. Like, everyone just needs to share their voice, right? Yes. I love it. So what would you suggest for someone who is kind of thinking, Alright, I’m interested, I need to learn more. But maybe I just want to start pitching to other podcasts to be a guest. So can we kind of kind of, you know, lean into this topic about becoming a guest and kind of getting your feet wet? Practicing seeing if this is something you’d like to do before putting in all the

Haylee Gaffin
work? Yeah, so I will be completely honest. I did not enjoy guesting on podcasts. It was, it made me nervous. I like I have to set aside a whole hour before. It just wasn’t anything that I ever saw myself doing. And then one day, I was like, well, I should probably do this if I’m going to, you know, produce podcasts. And in addition to that, I should probably start my own podcast. Yes, ma’am, you did? Well, in that process, there’s a huge difference between having a conversation and recording a solo episode. Such a big difference. Like I can sit here and have this conversation with you. And I can end up going off on a tangent. And it’s happened yet, but you can go off on tangents that aren’t necessarily the same as when you’re recording a solo show. So for me being a guest on other podcasts allows for me to kind of get that comfort to where when I decide to host interviews. I’ll know how to approach the conversation, because I don’t think that’s necessarily true that anyone can be a good interviewer. I think it is. It’s a skill that comes naturally to some people. But I think it takes a lot of practice and honing in on exactly what you’re good at and an interview. Yeah. So I personally think that if you’re considering launching your own podcasts, one really know what you want to do with that podcast before you dive too far in. And then in addition to that, like if being on another podcast is important to you, or you want to practice and just see, you know, dip your toes into it. I think it would be important for you to go on smaller podcasts. We all know the big names. Don’t start there. You don’t want your big, big interviews to be your first you want to make sure that you are starting small, but also as someone who’s kind of comfortable with you. And there are a lot of things that I would say to do to prepare for it because I don’t know, if you’ve had a chance to talk for 45 minutes straight, or 30 minutes straight, you will lose your voice if you’re not taking care of it. And I think that’s something, too, that needs to be considered. If you’re going to pitch yourself and book yourself back to back to back, because I’ve been there, I’ve recorded six episodes in one day, couldn’t talk for two weeks. Like I did not take care of my voice. And it’s just something to consider.

Quianna Marie
Oh, my goodness, yes. Well, it’s funny you say that, because even my mom, she and my brother, they know my voice so well. But they’ll ask like, Hey, did you did you read on that podcast? Or were you talking and they could tell. And it’s funny, because on some of the soul ones, I like to read it out. And I’d like to have an outline from sometimes it is easier for me to just read it because then I just like you said, I stay on topic. I, when I speak, I am a very, I don’t even know if it’s a simile or if they’re metaphors, but I’m a huge metaphor person. So I love sharing a short story to explain something else. And so sometimes, and even this is a perfect example of this, like, I just get going, and I start rattling, and I want to try to stay close to the subject. And, and I, I’ve listened to quite a few podcasts where I just, sometimes they’re in my ear, and I’m like, okay, get to the point. Like, I don’t want to hear about all this stuff. I don’t I’m sorry, but I don’t care about your life, I want to know about podcasting, I want to know about how you’re going to help me in my business. And so that has been a huge factor with with creating my my podcast is listening to others. So maybe we’re not actually hopping on board and pitching, but spend time listening to all different types. And, and there’s, you’re gonna learn a lot, you’re gonna learn how people use sounds to enter their ads, right? Like, do you like that? Or do you think that’s annoying, right? Or are you drawn to a certain just the layout and the way things unfold? And are the podcasts consistent? And do you know what to look for? And what to expect from podcast hosts? And there’s just so much to learn?

Haylee Gaffin
Yeah, and I think too, when you’re starting your podcast, it’s okay to go through that learning phase. Like I learned very quickly that I, when I am working on solo shows, I try to keep all of my solos under 10 minutes. If I go over, it’s fine. But my goal is 10 minutes. It’s to the point, I don’t go off topic. But I learned very quickly that if I don’t write it out beforehand, I go off topic, and I just blab and blab and it’s not valuable content. But that’s me. I have clients that when I suggested that they do a ride out, it took them five times longer to do their podcast episodes. And they’re like, I don’t have time for this. I am so much better. Just doing it off cuff and not worrying about a structure. I’ll have an outline, but I’m not gonna know. So there is that, that learning phase where you go through and you figure out what works for you. And I think that’s totally fine. And, and when you’re picking out what, what you prefer from other podcasts like I love, there’s a podcast called committed. And it’s about relationships. She is so good at telling stories, sharing stories of other people. I like that podcast is a dream podcast. I want someone to come in and say, Haylee, I want this I want exactly what they do. Because it’s so beautifully done. If you need to check it out. Everyone has seen it. I don’t work on it. I’m not you know, plugging myself here. It is someone else’s podcasts. It’s produced by someone else. But they are so good at what they do. They you know, anyway. Yeah. And I think the same thing about Dolly Parton. America like that is hands down. My favorite podcast of all time, and it’s one series. It’s not an ongoing podcast, it is just think eight episodes maybe? So good. Love that. Yeah. Well, that’s

Quianna Marie
something to think about too. If someone is curious about starting, but they don’t like they’re nervous of the commitment. They’re nervous about kind of like a TV show. Like is this going to be cut up for the first season? Like am I gonna am I going to give up on this or my you know, business stuff going to shift and change. But that’s a great idea to just do a quick like a quickie like a quick little series and then end it.

Haylee Gaffin
Yeah, absolutely. And that’s that’s something to if you think that that’s a possibility, like you can always do seasons, pick it up in a month, pick it up in two months. One thing I will say is I’ve learned here recently Apple change their automatic downloads, so like if you don’t release an episode every 14 days, you will lose automatic downloads for listeners. They’re following you on Apple podcast app. So I always include or like recommend doing a little teaser, bonus episode in between seasons if you decide to do that

Quianna Marie
smart seat, and this is why we need to invest in you because you know all these secrets.

Haylee Gaffin
Yeah, I have a very somewhat useful for my clients but unuseful knowledge of things going on in the podcasting and normal people don’t

Quianna Marie
know, oh my gosh, you’re so brilliant. So how can people if we’re like, okay, you know what you’ve sold me, I want to look into this what type of resources or how can we work with you, Haylee? Like, how can we stalk you and learn more?

Haylee Gaffin
Yeah, so Well, the first thing is, I have a whole library of blog posts and podcast episodes that are all about podcasting. And you can just find those Gaffin creative COMM At the very bottom of the homepage, there’s a whole library there. In addition to that, I also have a podcast budget worksheet that we can link in the show notes that will help you kind of understand what or how much a podcast is going to cost you based on what your needs are. Now you don’t have to do every single thing in this worksheet. And it also accompanies a podcast episode. So I kind of walk you through it in the podcast episode. But I, if you’re looking to start one, and you’re not sure, like how much money it’s going to cost, this is a great starting point. And then from there, I offer a podcast Launch Kit. It’s a DIY course for hopeful podcast hosts. And then I also offer one on one launch and production services. That

Quianna Marie
is incredible. And I just have to do a little plug here for my new friend Jade here in my neighborhood. And she actually started her podcast. So she signed up for one of your VIP days. And it was so cute. Because once I started posting about it, I’ve had quite a handful of friends reach out and they’re asking, How did you do this? Like how do you have time for this Quianna like what is going on? And when she reached out, I said, Oh, you gotta contact Haylee. And it’s just the power of social media, the power of podcasting. And I think, ultimately, the root of all of this is following your purpose, right? Like following what brings you joy, things that you are naturally good at that you want to help others. And at the end of the day, monetizing it, like just right, and that’s the thing, like I, I’m in this mindset about money, and you know, I’ve always had this horrible relationship with money growing up, it was just, you know, money was hard, and money was tough. And it’s just so interesting, as I’m meeting new people and educating myself learning from other podcasts, that money is just financial freedom, like it’s not cash, it’s not dollar signs, right. Like we we usually like you know, think of with money, but it’s just that, that freedom. And so working with you has given me that freedom as a podcast person like you are my producer podcasting client has given me that, just that confidence to continue sharing my voice and sharing my story and then creating a platform for others to speak. In fact, I’m looking forward to this I manifesting this now, Haylee, like I’m excited to be dropping future, like double episodes a week because I have so many people that I love and inspire me and I want to talk to you but by the time we list out all the Mondays and the rest of the year, I’m like, I’m not gonna see them till October. Like

Haylee Gaffin
there’s only 52 Mondays in the year.

Quianna Marie
Yes, it’s not and I can’t believe even though we just started this, I mean, officially launched in October. I mean, I have dozens of people that I wish I already would have interviewed before the end of the year. So there’s a lot lot coming.

Haylee Gaffin
Yeah, absolutely. And speaking of jade that you shared about I when I met Jade, I was obsessed with what she does. She is a camouflage tattoo artist and educator so she teaches other others how to do it. But she camouflage has scars that you don’t want seen. She like I just have to shout her out there because when I talked to her I swear I stalked everything she did for like an hour after our call. And I was like, Jade This is so cool.

Quianna Marie
Yeah, she’s a sweetheart and so inspiring. And, and the cool part is too is right like you think about her in her business and okay, she’s not just talking about tattoos and scars and stretch marks like she’s a boss, babe, and she’s sharing about business and connections and growth and abundance. And so it’s just amazing how you once you decide you become right. So once you step into this role, and once you take a risk, and you’re supported, you’re loved and supported and what you’re doing, I promise someone out there is listening and you’re gonna make a difference. I love that. You know, that’s something with me too without going on a crazy tangent. But with this podcast, it’s, you know, I’m trying to think like if there’s a parallel between helping You feel aligned with what I’m doing is because I am literally talking it out. This is what I used to do with my auntie Cindy with my best friend, you know, with my family, my close friends, it’s like, sometimes you don’t know what the root of the problem is or you don’t understand why you feel a certain way. So you just got to talk it out. Right. So yeah, let’s talk like, let’s just let’s let it out and share stories and make that connection. And I feel like we’re all just going to continue to bloom. All right, love that. Yes. Well, thank you so, so much, Haylee. Can you share just real quick one more time? I know. We’ll have it in the show notes. But how can we just be your new online? BFF

Haylee Gaffin
Yeah, so you can connect with me and all my services at Gaffin creative.com. That’s GAFFIN creative calm and then over on Instagram, it’s Haylee Gaffin HAYLEEGAFFIN.

Quianna Marie
Perfect. Thank you so much. And I am so so blessed to have you in my life. Thank you. Thank you. That’s a wrap on another episode of Quianna Marie weekly. Thank you so much for your listenership and support. You can find the resources and show notes for this episode and more at Quiannamarie.com/podcast. I’d be honored and so grateful if you’d show your support by leaving a review and writing on your favorite podcast app. Until next time, keep on dancing..